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Geronimo McVain
McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2016.06.22 06:37:35 -
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1. You need the tools you can access through the IGB, so removing it you remove some functionality from EVE!
2. Why not simply make the browser selectable by the the user but keep the window management etc. in EVE. Add some skins for the popular browser and everyone can set up his favorite browser to work as the IGB.
Overlays may work or not but they add another layer to handle for new players. CCP should work on INTEGRATING other tools INTO EVE and not add layer upon layer on top of EVE.
Why not make a universal way to access things like dotlan or EFT from within EVE? Maybe through the browser, which one it the choice of the player, and a link? Add some requirements for the design to it so that EFT looks like it's part of EVE.
Take a look at this list of tools more or less needed for EVE:
EFT
Pirats little helper/Tripwire
dotlan
skillplaner
TS3 / mumble
and now some overlay
insert x tools that I missed 
You want more immersion into the game and add 3rd party tools to it?????? Start integrating things not cutting things out.
There are no reasons why you have to use external tools to access things like dotlan or EFT. I'm sure the developer would be happy if they could integrate at least a link in EVE so you can acess dotlan as quickly as the ingame map. Or you choose EFT over the fitting screen. That would ADD functionality to EVE and not cut something out.
I can understand the reason for removing the IGB but search for a adequate replacement and Crest does not work because it offers no way to view the datas. |
Geronimo McVain
McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2016.06.23 06:38:55 -
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Why not take a total different approach? Keeping up the browser is too much work for CCP. Okay! Why does the IGB have to adapt? Websites are changing. Okay, but do you need to access such websites??????
The IGB is for browsing sites connected to eve. So why not just whitelisting pages that use the EVE API + some wikis and put restriction on them that the IGB can handle them?
I don't need youtube videos in the IGB or news sides.
Don't change the IGB change the websites and the sites and whitelist what the IGB can handle instead of trying to keep up with web development. |
Geronimo McVain
McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2016.06.26 09:30:34 -
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CCP Darwin wrote:
Removing the in-game browser from the game does take away a significant convenience feature, but as a result, it's the kind of thing the team wouldn't do unless it were really, truly necessary. Saying "Wow, I don't like this because it'll be inconvenient" just tells them about the downside to their choice that they already know about.
IMHO this approach is wrong. CCP is removing the IGB and the players have to adapt. It's a fact that EVE relays heavily on third party tools and the browser was THE tool to access them. So CCP should have a good!!! replacement for the IGB but there is nothing. The solutions offered are at best a clutch. There isn't even a clear statement that certain overlay browsers will work properly with EVE.
Reduce!!! the IGB to the functions really needed to access the websides essential to EVE. We don't need an IGB that can rival Chrome or Firefox but a tool that connects the third party tools to EVE. Stop thinking of the IGB as a browser but think of it as a connection tool. Whitelist EVE sides so you have a prearranged list of sides that the IGB can reliably access. This way CCP will have to work once and for all on the IGB but in the end it will be something like a graphic CREST. The websides adapt to CREST they will do for the new IGB.
CCP should take a look at the functionality of things and how to replace them. It's the same wrong way of thinking that closed the Evelopedia. Just hoping that there will be something out there that will take up is wrong. You have to make certain!!!! with essential features that something will take up the work. You don't have a plan B for closure of UniWiki or a real alternative for the IGB. If you want to kill the IGB make a deal with some overlay to integrate it into EVE.
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Geronimo McVain
McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2016.06.29 05:48:32 -
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Jessika Lee wrote:[quote=bucegi]
third - data transfer from external services through a browser into the game (feats, interface settings, standings, etc);
fourth - in the future we would like to see in-game option (via context menu) to export data into the currently active IGB window through a standardized set of variables (character / star system name, fully qualified (region-constellation-system-orbit-satellite) object coordinates, etc);
fifth - the specification of IGB supported standards and features.
All the other bells and whistles can be safely removed - IGB is an expansion tool for data storage / processing, not a full-featured browser.
Third will be, IMHO, covered by Crest. Fourth would be nice to have but IMHO overkill because the side can get these infos through CREST when it has the name.
The irony is, that CCP implemented a tool that allows thrid party tools easy access to EVE's datas but removes the option to see it ingame. It's like changing the gearbox for higher performance but removing the gear lever at the same time. Whats the use of a shiny CREST if you can't access the sides using it?
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Geronimo McVain
McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2016.07.03 18:07:03 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:
The mapping software can take care of the linking of accounts. Log in once, then log in a few more times to give the site some refresh tokens. Once that's done, it can track you, and show you all of the details at once.
Not too hard to manage, really.
That's not the real problem! Tripwire etc can get the datas from CREST but the problem is how do we!!! access Tripwire without the IGB? You made a connection to get datas out of Eve to the site but how do they give the processed datas back to the players inside Eve? Or better: How do we access these sides without closing the Eve window? Eve is outsourcing a lot of informations and the IGB was THE way to get it back to the players.
someone listed all the shortcommings of the overlays. Could we please talk about this problem and the solution CCP is offering? Is CCP offering something? I don't think so and THAT's the problem! |
Geronimo McVain
McVain's Minning and Exploration Inc
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Posted - 2016.07.14 07:25:11 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:[quote=Speared]
Edit: The internal discussion, that is. The plan to remove the IGB has been well known in the Third party development community, for a few years now. It's been held off on, as some functions for sites weren't available. They are now. I've yet to meet a third party dev who isn't happy they won't need to support the IGB for much longer. Total PITA to work with.
That's not the point. 99,99% of the eve players aren't interested how you get your data but they are interested how they can access your websites.
The point is how will EVE players get conveniently on the websites. I don't give a dam for the IGB and how they implement the functionality but I really want the functionality. Overwolf is sometimes working sometimes not....... |
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